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Developing F Judgment
by Mary Hoerr, December 22, 1999  
My 5-year-old daughter, who I think prefers F, has been going through an interesting phase lately. She will present me with two items, and then ask me to choose which is the most important, or the best. For example, she will ask: "If there is a fire, what is more important to save, me or [favorite toy]." She asks as if it were a quiz, and when I give the right answer, she says "correct", and repeats what is more important.
indentShe also maintains a hierarchy of people she loves: first Jesus, then Mommy, then Daddy. We had some discussions over whether she should love Mommy and Daddy best, or the angels.
indentI told her it was okay for little girls to love Mommy more than Jesus, but it doesn't seem to trouble her at all. She'll quiz me on whether I love her best or Jesus best, and she wants me to answer correctly - Jesus.
indentThis conscious ranking of relationships, and the relative importance of people and things is unexpected. I expected my daughter to ask lots of "why" questions, but not lots of value ranking questions. In fact, in the parenting books I've read, I haven't seen any reference to kinds of questions /quizzes my daughter asks.
indentI wonder if this is a common phase that children with the F preference go through. Is it "invisible" just because most mothers prefer F (since two-thirds of women prefer F according to some statistics) and don't notice it? 
Feedback question: 
Have you noticed evidence of the F preference developing in children, or do you remember it from your own childhood? 
ISFP 
Yes, I remember it from my own childhood, and I can also see it in my friend's three-year-old daughter. F and P have always been strong preferences for me, and I am fairly balanced for I/E, S/N.

Site Redesign 
by Mary Hoerr, December 8, 1999 
Over the next few weeks, I am going to be changing various aspects of this site. As some of you may have noticed, I've been playing around with different background colors for the text, and different numbers and sizes of columns. I'm going to be standardizing, and trying for a more consistent look and feel. 
indentQuestion: Do you have any suggestions for a phrase or motto to characterize this site? Any ideas for an image that I could incorporate into a logo? 
indentThose of you who look for things on this site may have noticed that my Net Links categories don't seem to be as useful anymore. Once again, the "Etc" categories is gathering all sorts of info. Also, it is becoming harder and harder to categorize links as belonging to only one of the categories. Therefore, I'll be switching over to keyword system as well as categories.  
indentQuestion: Do you have suggestions for additional categories? For keywords I should include? 
indentIn addition to the usual feedback questions, I will also be including a series of polls on site-related issues. The first poll deals with the first and second most important value that you feel this site communicates. Please try to pick no more than two values total.
Feedback question:  
Suggestions for site motto, logo image,additional categories, keywords?
No feedback received.

Dealing with Authority 
by Mary Hoerr, December 1, 1999 
In surfing and reading various books, I am struck by how often the lowest or lower level of development, whether psychological or spiritual, sounds like a caricature of the SJ values of authority and tradition. The higher levels look more NF or sometimes NT. 
indentThe lower levels are characterized by "black and white" thinking, unquestioning adherence to authority, adopting the values of parents uncritically. Development involves either reaching within for one's own personal values and relating them to the real world (NF version) or critically analyzing rules and the claims of authority (NT version). 
indentWhile I agree that unquestioning adherence to authority is a lower level of development, I disagree that the development process is the same for all temperaments. Probably all NT types, and at least the NFP types, have an inherent distrust of authority. Therefore, any development process that is overly critical or that leads too far from authority may reflect more upon an typological blind spot than true development. 
indentI would guess that the development path for an SJ involves learning to adequately judge which authority to follow. For the STJ, this may involve objectively analyzing whether the rule system is reasonable and consistent. For an SFJ, it may mean looking at the values expressed in the actions of the authority figure. In either case, the purpose is to adequately judge the authority figure or structure so that it may be followed until further analysis becomes necessary. 
indentAt some point the SJ, as all the other temperaments, will need to face the limitations of their preferences. Because no one has perfect knowledge, it is possible for different people to follow different authorities without being evil. Similar roadblocks are met by NT's, who must face that it possible for equally intelligent people to come to equally logical but different conclusions.  
indentIdeally, the NT learns to accept the limitations of logic, leading to more tolerance of others and some skills in other methods, although she will never abandon it as her primary way of making sense of the world. In the same way, when the SJ accepts the limitations of authority, he does not reject this primary way of relating to the world, but adds a wider acceptance of others and other methods to his world view. 
Feedback question:  
What role would you like authority to play in your life? 
INTP 
Minimal. For me rules and regulations are tools the existence of which is justified only by right ends. For me moral decisions should always be made independent of authority. If authority serves morally acceptable and logically coherent ends, good. If not, it has no relevance and should be changed. "I just followed the orders/law/international regulations" is not good enough for me. 
indentHowever, your excellent article provided me with a new insight to SJ attitudes which I often have very little patience with. Not for the first time your articles made me at least consider a more tolerant view of different people. Thank you! 
ENFJ 
Mutual Respect 
ENTJ 
mutual respect 

Describing an ISFJ - Tree Man 
by Linda Ball, November 24, 1999 
copyright by Linda Ball 1999 
I just read your piece on the unicorn as a symbol for the ISFJ. [ed. note: The Unicorn Type - ISFJ] My fiance is ISFJ (I am INFP). What I love about my ISFJ man is that he is so solid and dependable yet so warm and full of simple pleasure. In my head I call him my 'Tree Man'. I had a dream early in our relationship in which I was lying on the ground outdoors under a big tree and he was making love to me. 
indentHis steadfastness is good for me as I am usually living in the fanciful world of my own head. He often keeps me on track with the things that need to be done to live our life. 
indentPerhaps not by coincidence, he works for a landscaping company and the man really knows how to grow healthy lawns, shrubs, and trees. We have two very large and healthy ficus trees in our house that he is very attached too. We have had several discussions over the ficus trees where he advocates giving them prime space in front of the windows, whereas I would like for the windows to be of service to the human beings in the household. 
indentI can see the tendency in him to want perfection in his work, but the most dominant aspect of him seems to be the importance he places on relationships.  Being in a relationship with him is like living under the protection of a big strong oak tree.  He is firmly rooted and has large protective branches. 
Feedback question:  
Do you have an image or metaphor for your type, or any of the other types? 
No feedback: ENTJ 
INFJ 
Most sources tend to use the dolphin as the mascot for NF's and, more specifically, for INFJ's. I agree to a certain extent. However, I think an otter would suffice for my type. I personally see myself as a big cat (leopard, puma, etc.). 

SP in Movie and Book 
by Mary Hoerr, November 17, 1999 
Recently I've come across some clear SP types in the movies and one book. Interestingly, I can't think of single movie character that strikes me as being clearly my type, INTP. 
Good Will Hunting, the movie 
The math prodigy, Will Hunting, seemed to be very clearly an ISTP type to me. Except that he was a math prodigy. He could "see" the answers to very complex and *abstract* mathematical problems, which seems to me a sign of N. Everything else in the movie pointed me to S. 
The Horse Whisperer, the book 
Read the book recently. He seems very clearly to be an ISFP type to me. One of the highlights of his life was when he spent several weeks totally alone out with the wild horses, spending all of his time observing them. Haven't seen the movie. 
Schindler's List, the movie  
Schindler strikes me as ESTP. 
Feedback question:  
Can you think of a clear portrayal of a type or temperament in books or movies? 
No feedback: INTJ 
INTP 
Some observations from mystery genre: 
Patricia Cornwell: Lucy and Scarpetta are both INTJ. 
P.D. James: Adam Dalgliesh is INFP, Kate Miskin is ISTP. 
Elizabeth George: 
Barbara Havers is ISTP, Tomas Lynley is ESFJ. 
INFP 
Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman: ESFP 
Nick Cage in Wild at Heart: ISTP 
INTP 
I do believe Will is an INTP. Strong emotional outbursts as in the schoolyard fight and the emotional outburst with his girlfriend seem to indicate "shadow" or in the "grip" behaviour. Beyond his "seeing" the math there is the voracious reading and the verbal acuity. All very like indicating intp. 
indentClassic ISTP is more like Clint Eastwood, both in real life and on screen, Dirty Harry, lone gunfighter, etc.  
INTJ 
Ayn Rand's works: Kira, from We the Living, Howard Roark from The Fountainhead, book and movie. 
INFP 
Sean Connery in the Name of the Rose: NT 
Ben Kingsley as Gandhi: INFJ 

Games and Type  
by Mary Hoerr, November 11, 1999  
In Hal Dendurant's one question quiz to determine type, I come out as an ENTP instead of an INTP. I don't like chess since my younger sister beat me at it when we both were in grade school. But it got me to thinking about the games I *do* like. 
I like solitaire and scrabble. I like soccer (or at least I used to when I could still play). Still thinking - I can't think of any other games I like to play. Perhaps guessing games? I used to like Trivial Pursuit, although I never liked the questions about actors and actresses or sports. 
I don't like rubik's cube or other puzzles. I do like puzzle books though, especially diagramless puzzles and cryptograms. 
Type theory does imply certain types will like certain kinds of games or sports. An INTP is supposed to like chess. An ESTP would like poker. It makes sense to me, but I don't match up. What about you? 
Feedback question:  
What are your favorite games or sports? 
ENTJ 
Scrabble 
Crosswords 
Pictionary 
INTP 
scrabble 
baseball 
bridge 
puzzles 
crosswords biking, hearts 
INTP 
I like soccer and word games.  
No Type Given 
aerobics class 
trivial pursuit 

Buy Do What You Are at Amazon.comDo What You Are Book Review 
by Mary Hoerr, November 3, 1999 
Do What You Are: Discover the Perfect Career for You through the Secrets of Personality type, by Paul D. Tieger & Barbara Barron-Tieger is not just another list of jobs sorted by type. It provides interesting and useful job search information and recommendations for each type.  
indentVery useful is the list of ten items that tend to spell career satisfaction for each type. For example, an INFP prefers a job that "allows me to express my vision through my work", has "a minimum or rules or regulations, letting me work on projects when I feel inspired", but "does not require me to present my work frequently in front of groups". On the other hand, an ESTJ prefers a job that "is realistic and tangible in nature and has practical applications and concrete results", is "measured and evaluated by fair, logical, explicit, and objective standards" but which "is done in a friendly environment with other hardworking and conscientious people who do not bring their personal problems to work or expect me to share my personal feelings on the job".  
indentThe "Implications for the Job Search" section tailors job search strategies to each type. For example, the INFP might try to look beyond what is known to imagine jobs that she might like, express herself in writing whenever possible, and use limited, targeting networking starting with close friends. An approach suited the strengths of an ESTJ, on the other hand, may include developing a list of important job characteristics such as salary, benefits, etc.; presenting himself as capable, stable and competent; and networking extensively.  
indentThe beginning chapters provide a variety of ways to describe preferences to help you determine your type, without using multiple choice questionnaires. They include the usual contrasting lists of descriptions for each preference, but also include many good concrete examples. For example, in illustrating the N-S preferences, they describe how the S and the N each perceive the speeding car in a car accident. The S notes that the car was going at least fifty miles an hour. The N recalls wondering where the car was going in such a hurry. 
Buy it now at Amazon.com  
Feedback question:  
The last time you were looking for a job, how did you go about it? 
There were three responses with no job search info: ENTJ, ENTJ, INTP  
ENTJ:  
Internally thru job vacancy announcements in my present office. 
ENTJ:  
Networked 
ENFP:  
Focused on real opportunities in the paper and through contracting firms. Sent an advertisement-type resume and letters addressing how I met the classified ads requirements. 
ISTJ:  
I went to the state employment office, contacted a lead and arranged an interview 
INTJ:  
I decided to take the job purely on whim that was encouraged by an ESTJ friend. It turned into 4 months of hell and then I quit. I will never again be so foolish as to neglect THOUROUGH research into my field of interest.  
INFP:  
sent query letters to a few places 

Gift Shopping by Type, Part 2 
by Mary Hoerr, October 27, 1999 
In last week's list, I came up with a list of gift suggestions by type. In Naomi Quenk's book, Beside Ourselves (see my review: 1999 Fourth Quarter Features Archive: Beside Ourselves book review), she mentions that people often "engage their inferior and tertiary functions for rest, relaxation, and recreation." She also says that "People whose daily work requires them to use less preferred functions may use their preferred processes in their leisure time." She puts people with dominant F, whether introverted or extraverted, in that category (ISFP, INFP, ESFJ, ENFJ). Based on that, I've added some additional gift suggestions of my own. 
indentInferior: introverted Feeling 
ESTJ: Computer network components  
ENTJ: Increase in their budget at work, promotion 
Additional gift recommendation: directorship of their favorite nonprofit 
indentInferior: extraverted Thinking 
ISFP: Massage  
INFP: Spiritual retreat  
Likely to use preferred functions. 
Additional gift recommendation: the same as above, since they are likely to use their dominant function for leisure, but add: Java development toolkit (or development toolkit of their choice)  
indentInferior: extraverted Feeling  
ISTP: Computer components  
INTP: Internet access, books (any kind)  
Additional gift recommendation: a dome tent or other camping supplies  
indentInferior: introverted Thinking  
ESFJ: Visit from friends, relatives  
ENFJ: Enroll in college course with friends  
Additional gift recommendation: none. This type is most likely to use their dominant and auxiliary functions in their leisure time.  
indentInferior: introverted iNtuition  
ESTP: Scuba lessons  
ESFP: Carribean cruise  
Additional gift recommendation: meditation courses, retreat  
indentInferior: extraverted Sensing  
INTJ: Text book on current area of interest  
INFJ: Book of meditations  
Additional gift recommendation: dinner out at a restaurant specializing in foreign or exotic cuisine  
indentInferior: extraverted iNtuition  
ISTJ: Something for their collection (whatever it is)  
ISFJ: Bread machine, other kitchen appliance  
Additional gift recommendation: A music CD, Star Trek video 
indentInferior: introverted Sensing  
ENTP: Their own business  
ENFP: Cell phone, ICQ address  
Additional gift recommendation: something for their sensing area of interest (cooking, gardening, whatever)  
Feedback question: 
What gifts or kinds of gifts would you recommend for someone of your type?  
There were five responses with no gift recommendation: ENTJ, INTJ, INFP, ESFP, ENFP  
ISTP:  
Binoculars 
ISFP:   
Camping gear, trip alone or just with my wife, fishing gear, solo canoe trip, backpack, books on sports or sports biographies 
INFJ:  
Paperweights 
INFP:  
Books 

Gift Shopping by Type 
by Mary Hoerr, October 20, 1999  
With the approaching Christmas season, the idea of gifts is coming up. What gifts would you get for the different types? Here is my very personal take on the matter. 
INTP: Internet access, books (any kind)  
INFP: Spiritual retreat  
INTJ: Text book on current area of interest  
INFJ: Book of meditations  
ISTP: Computer components  
ISFP: Massage  
ISTJ: Something for their collection (whatever it is)  
ISFJ: Bread machine, other kitchen appliance  
ENTP: Their own business  
ENFP: Cell phone, ICQ address  
ENTJ: Increase in their budget at work, promotion  
ENFJ: Enroll in college course with friends  
ESTP: Scuba lessons  
ESFP: Carribean cruise  
ESTJ: Computer network components  
ESFJ: Visit from friends, relatives  
Feedback question: 
What gifts or kinds of gifts would you recommend for someone of your type? 
There were three responses with no gift recommendation: ESFP, ISFP, ESFP 
INTP:   
Books, or a gift certificate for a bookstore. 
INTP:   
a wonderful book, perhaps a collector's item.  
an excellent bottle of red wine. 
an interesting gadget or puzzle.  
leaded glass.  
some script framed, japanese, arabic etc.  
an excellent compass.  
a telescope.  
anything optical.  
INTP:  
book 
INTJ:  
We're all individuals, so while I can't speak for all INTJs, here are the kinds of gifts that appeal to me: 
1) X-Files paraphernalia.  (Agent Dana Scully and the Cigarette-Smoking Man are characters from the show whom I consider to be INTJ.) 
2) Historical reenactment period clothing/accesories for me to wear/use at the events I attend. 
3) Crossword puzzles with a high enough level of difficulty to present a challenge. 
4) Plane tickets so I can meet online friends in person who live in faraway places. Even travelling to distant and/or never-before-seen destinations is good in and of itself, but the additional opportunity to visit with like-minded people and kindred spirits whom I've come to value over the internet makes such trips exceedingly rewarding. 
ENTJ:   
Books, Herbal Lotions, Gourmet Goodies, Fine Jewelry, Fresh Flowers (PS Would prefer my own company to a promotion but thanks anyway!) 
ESFP  
clothes, jewelery 
ENTP  
waffle maker 

MBTI® Instrument in Different Cultures 
by Mary Hoerr, October 13, 1999  
I regularly check the terms my visitors search on. Recently, there was a search on "cultural effects on personality", which returned no hits. That, combined with an email request for MBTI® instrument info in Spanish, led me to start a search for cross-cultural MB information on the web. You can see the results in three new link reviews this week, October 13, 1999:  
indentIndividual Personality And Organizational Culture Or "Let's Change This Place So I Feel More Comfortable"  
indentPersonality Differences Between Navajo and Non-Indian College Students: Implications for Instruction  
indent7.1 EL EQUIPO DEL PROYECTO Y EL GRUPO HUMANO  (may no longer be available as of 29 May 2000)
indentI have read people who think that the type distribution of United States citizens may be expected to be different than other cultures, because most of us were voluntary immigrants who chose to leave their homelands behind. This could imply a country more slanted toward NP than perhaps the global average.  
indentIf true, one might expect that the Native American and slave descendant populations in the United States would show a different distribution, since neither voluntarily left their homelands. In the case of one limited study of the Navajo population, (see link above) there were significant differences.  
indentAlthough I have found one or two pointers to print resources, I have found very little information on the web itself. I expect to continue looking for cross cultural information on the web related to Myers-Briggs.  
Feedback question: 
Do you know of any Myers-Briggs™ information in Spanish, or related to a non-USA culture?  
I got responses with type info only from:  
ISTJ, ESFP, INTJ, ISTP  
I got one response with an answer from:  
INFP: Sorry no.. But I am interested in a list of gifts to buy for Christmas based on type. Have you seen such a thing?  

Buy Beside Ourselves: Our Hidden Personality in Everyday Life at Amazon.comBeside Ourselves book review 
by Mary Hoerr, October 6, 1999 
Beside Ourselves: Our Hidden Personality in Everyday Life, by Naomi L. Quenk is not a book for someone who is brand new to type theory, but don't feel you need to be an expert either. It explores how the fourth or "shadow" function works in our lives, especially when we're under stress. When I read this book, it was like discovering type all over again.  
indentOne of the most eye-opening parts of the book to me was a description of each preference both in its developed form and in its primitive form. Thus, as an INTP with dominant Ti, my shadow is Fe. Characteristics of developed Fe, such as is more likely with an ENFJ and ESFJ, are described in the book as:  
indentComfortable inattention to logic  
indentSensitivity to the welfare of others  
indentSharing of emotions 
However, in the primitive form, that the inferior or shadow functions often takes, it looks more like:  
indentLogic emphasized to an extreme  
indentHypersensitivity to relationships  
indentEmotionalism  
indentThis showed me two things: First of all, it describes what I can look for as I develop my Fe further. Secondly, it helps me not to project the characteristics of my less developed Fe onto people who have a natural primary or secondary preference for Fe.  
indentGoing further, it has helped me to better understand the possbilities of each preference, when developed.  
Buy it now at Amazon.com  
Feedback question:  
Have you had any experiences with your or someone else's inferior (or shadow) function?  
I got one response from someone who did not give a type: No, I have not.

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1999 Fourth Quarter 
October 
6: Beside Ourselves book review 
13:
MBTI® Instrument in Different Cultures 
20:
Gift Shopping by Type 
27:
Gift Shopping by Type, Part 2 
November 
3: Do What you Are Book Review 
11:
Games and Type 
17:
SP in Movie and Book 
24:
Describing an ISFJ - Tree Man 
December 
1: Dealing with Authority 
8:
Site Redesign(ran two weeks) 
22:
Developing F Judgment

      

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